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Perhaps people are looking at this in the wrong way, in the late 60's the railroads were facing what the airlines of today face, both claim that they cannot make money on passenger travel. Railroads lost out to air travel in the late 50s and 60s partly because they had nothing new to offer, poorly kept timetables, poor equipment, and they didnt seem excited to do anything about it. If the roads now were willing to take a chance on renewing their commitment (or in most cases rebuilding a commitment) to passenger travel i think they could have passenger traffic back on the roads where it should be.In other words let the Union Pacific, the BNSF, and others run and regulater their own passenger trains. U.P was looking into passenger trains to Denver International Airport when it first opened in the early 90s but the denver rtd put a halt to that.  I guess what im saying is that a more drastic change than saving amtrak is what is needed. Passenger trains need more input from the railroads themselves and from the private sector NOT a govermnet agency that has and will continue to bleed cash. less govenment in the railroad industry would greatly help.   thanks for reading   Kylerhaps people are looking at this in the wrong way, in the late 60's the railroads were facing what the airlines of today face, both claim that they cannot make money on passenger travel. Railroads lost out to air travel in the late 50s and 60s partly because they had nothing new to offer, poorly kept timetables, poor equipment, and they didnt seem excited to do anything about it. If the roads now were willing to take a chance on renewing their commitment (or in most cases rebuilding a commitment) to passenger travel i think they could have passenger traffic back on the roads where it should be.In other words let the Union Pacific, the BNSF, and others run and regulater their own passenger trains. U.P was looking into passenger trains to Denver International Airport when it first opened in the early 90s but the denver rtd put a halt to that.  I guess what im saying is that a more drastic change than saving amtrak is what is needed. Passenger trains need more input from the railroads themselves and from the private sector NOT a govermnet agency that has and will continue to bleed cash. less govenment in the railroad industry would greatly help.  thanks for reading   Kyle added 3/08/02
The U.S. leads the world in almost everything,the Pennsy was the standard of the world we can"t lead the world if we let passenger rail falter. Amtrak without help is substandard. The railroad is fighting a uphill battle against the concrete lobbyist in which are the biggest lobbyist of congress.  We need to work together with those people.    BillyB added  3/8/02

I grew up in the Amtrak era, and have known little of pre-Amtrak services.But, even with Amtrak's shortcomings, it makes no sense to kill it.  I use the trains for almost all of my transportation needs.  Why single out Amtrak when it's potential is tremendous with proper funding. I am quite upset, and am doing what I can to help get the message across that our nation needs a quality national train system.
Keep up the good work.
Dave T added 3/8/02
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I urge everuyone who visits this pasge to convince their congressman to join the expected filibuster for AMTRAK. AMTRAK IS GREAT 
Paul F. added 3/8/02

Save Amtrak
Railways opened up a way of life in America,they have future role to play in this modern age. To “Kill Off AMTRAK” is a step backwards, Polititions must listen to the Great American public and get Congress to play its part in supporting Rail transportatation Cuts are not the answer to progress, look at the United Kingdom’s rail system and how it fell apart due to the lack off support and investment frm previous Governments, Amtrak must be given the lifeline to secure its future, and not become a memory only to be revived by video or dvd.
David F added 3/8/02
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The more people I talk to about Amtrak, the more I am convinced that the only thing that will save the long-distance routes is to add "premium" upscale services in addition to the tax-payer supported basic service. In a sense that's already what is going on with the coaches vs. the sleepers. But I think an effort should be made to differentiate even more and price up the sleepers even more. Make the food better,provide even more attention and socializing in the sleepers.

You know the concept of a "murder-mystery weekend" where hotels con people into coming on a slow weekend with an event. Same deal. It's got to be showtime when the premium passengers board the train. Disney calls all their employees "cast members." It's hokey, but the concept is right.

Now that all sounds kind of funny for a quasi-government operation, I know. But Amtrak has got to act more and more like a business for the most part, thinking of the taxpayer money it gets as a subsidy to offset the cost of coach seats for people who can't afford the upscale stuff.

What about hauling private cars, too? What if Amtrak had a fleet of private cares that could be rented out to families? It might be really expensive, but there might be rich people willing to spend the money. 
The key is product differentiation to get a full spectrum of customers. The last thing they should be interested in is getting from Point A to Point B. That just isn't what the long haul trains are good for any more.
Bill D added 3/8/02


Hi Bob 
I saw your site and thought that I would write. I agree that a national rail system should be saved. However I think Amtrak has mismanaged the system by putting most of it's resources into the NEC. They have neglected the rest of the system. 

I think that a national rail trust fund must be created, just like we have for highways and airtravel. Otherwise I think the will be wasting our time. I also think that public-private partnership will the freight railroads will be needed to improve the infastructure for both freight and passenger use. 
It's gonna be an intersting to see what congress does. 
Yours Truly 
Mark D ADDED 3/8/02



Kandee~ save Amtrak please! added 3/8/02
 vote to save amtrak. We need this transportation. 
It is a highway to the world. We need to support this transportation, for towns, medical reasons, family, and to support USA. United we stand together to save this transportation.To save jobs, not to have unemployement go up. 
SAVE AMTRAK<<<<We have suffered enough since Sept. 11. Why should we have to suffer anymore by taking our transportation away too. A cheaper safer way to travel. Thank You for your Time, cast my vote to save amtrak.
Marilyn 3/8/02

Train Conductor LES LANGSTON LAX-KNG-LAX  train  # 3/4 The Southwest Chief sent e-mail to save Amtrak.
Save the Long Hauls 
First of all I must commend you on putting together a great site which encourages people to contact the movers and shakers on this issue and let them know that there are people out there (MILLIONS OF THEM) who will be victimized by train service cutbacks.  Keep up the Good Work! 

I am from the Northeast Corridor region, but that does NOT in any way mean that I like the idea of eliminating long-distance trains one bit.  This is a disgusting idea which has unfortunately seduced the uninformed (thanks to the efforts of Joseph Vranich, and now even Amtrak officials) by portraying the "horrible money loser" long-distance trains as the "big bad wolf" preventing high-speed rail from being viable. 

We can have both.  We should have both.  We must have both. 

What I think is getting lost in this issue (perhaps not by us Amtrak supporters, but by others) is that Amtrak restructuring, reform, and reauthorization does not have to be a long-distance versus corridors thing.  We should keep our long-distance trains running, and improve them where we can.  We should also have funding appropriated to develop high-speed corridors throughout the nation (personally, If I were calling the shots, I'd start with the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative and California plans and work my way elsewhere since those two projects alone would double Amtrak ridership and the former would benefit long-distance trains immensely as well). 

That's right, the corridor improvements will benefit the long-distance trains significantly--it will expand capacity by allowing services to be operated with fewer trainsets (allowing saved equipment to lengthen consists), will increase ridership and average trip length (while not as phenomenally as a corridor service, probably a pretty decent improvement), and this, combined with a modest yield increase, would allow revenue to rise with a "multiplier effect."  Costs would decrease too, with more passenger miles being able to be generated by the same amount of equipment man-hours of labor (although more equipment should be added for the long-hauls).  Granted, it will probably not be enough to make long-hauls profitable, but passenger train profitability, like I said earlier, is a dirty myth. 

I've written my Congressman, Senators, and at least one newspaper so far about this, and I hope to do more soon.  As a member of a younger generation of Americans (who will hopefully soon be using the train to travel to and from college), I am going to probably live to see the day when the world really begins to see its fuel gauge needle approach E.  The current Amtrak system may be skeletal, but we must add, not subtract, from it. 

Best Regards,  -Adam O., NJ added 3/8/02


Western Rail
I've read the final report by the ARC. One thing I get really tired of reading about is the Northeast Corridor.  Every other paragraph is about the Northeast Corridor, as it seems just about all of Amtrak is equated to it too.  I don't live in the Northeast; nothing against the citizens who do They deserve the rail transportation option.  I however live in the rural West.  I'm over 100 miles from the nearest airport, and the places I'd fly to would cost me an arm and a leg to get into small airports.  The air system is not set up to get us to small towns, obviously.  Many folks I know travel to and from places that are farther from airports than myself.  Some of the towns don't even have Greyhound service (not saying that's much of an option anyhow).  My point is this: We live in the intermountain Western United States.  There are not as many of us as there are in the Northeast, for certain.  However, don't we deserve the same transportation options as those in the highly populated East?  Don't we deserve the right to move about the country freely on some sort of public transit?  Shouldn't we have the same choice?  We're all citizens, and we should all have similar choices. 

For crying out loud, Honorable Congress of the United States, stop playing games with my options and with public transportation that will grow with the future.  It's time to treat Amtrak like what it is and what it was created to be: a PUBLIC SERVICE.  A public service does not make money, it provides a needed service to the people of a country.  Amtrak or anything of the sort will never make money, no passenger rail system in the world makes money.  What they do is provide freedom of movement for the citizens of their respective countries.  Amtrak should be refined, reformed, and the like- but it should be built upon and made better, not cut down. 

Congress, give us in the West a break and treat us the same as you'd treat yourselves in the densly populated East.  Give us the option to travel on a nationwide rail network. 

Thanks, 
C. K F 2/18/02
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The Flaw of Amtrak Privatization
As the Debate over the Liquation/Privatization of Amtrak gathers steam, the nation's mega conservatives fail to recognize the single major flaw in their Amtrak long distance privatization proposals, namely Federal Intrusion into privately held rights of way.  By Federal rail route access pre-emption a host of private (fly by night, non-union, minimum wage) private operators will now be given access rights over the Union Pacific, Burlington Northern Santa Fe, CSX, Norfolk Southern, and KCS.
This is where the comparison with the US and Britain falls about, for in the US private industry already owns the majority of the nations rail mileage. The original 1969 concept of Amtrak should be given a chance to work in a true, fully funded, railroad-government partnership.
The conservatives are missing the boat, Amtrak as a fully funded agency is in fact a true public - private model, that has just never be given the chance to work.
JACK  2/18/02
AMTRAK 
USA is long overdue for a National rail system.  Lets put as much money into help for our passenger rail as we have put in helping our air travel. Let us upgrade our trains, rail beds, expand routes and fix up our depots.  Lets encourage our citizens to take the train. USA need a great train system to relieve pressure on our highways.
Sincerely, Elaine  2/17/02

Save Amtrak!
I feel that the U.S. is short-sighted on rail service.  In Europe, one can travel nearly anywhere by rail.  In the U.S. we should be able to go from coast to coast .  Have we forgotten how important the railroad was on 9-11 when planes were not flying?  How would people have gotten to their destinations if it hadn't been for the trains?  How can we get to Congress and get them to wake up?
I'm for rail service and feel that it is fully or more important than air travel.
Luella  2/16/02
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I am a reservation agent at the California office and I am very conserned about what is happening. If we lose our long distant service a lot of people will be effected by this. Not only would there be a lot of lay offs the elderly and disabled will also lose there rights to travel. Even before Sept.11 people did not want to fly. Now we get thousands of calls from people that will never fly again. What will happen if there are no train service for these people?  The travel industry will also be effected by this. Congress will have to really think this one over? That is if they really care about people.
Also who else will run our long distant service? Maybe some big company from another country. So they can pay lower wages and give less services to passangers?
It seems congress does not realize that this will hurt a lot of people not only passengers, but a lot of employee's will be layed off. Amtrak has already layed off 400 employee's and there will be more. We need the public to help save Amtrak. 
Amtrak stake holder 2/16/02
A note from the web master... Amtrak employees like all other employees pay taxes and are active members of there communities. We as employees, if our services are no longer needed will have to find another industry or job or end up under a freeway somewhere.  This is just what our country and ecomomy needs right now is more people unemployed more families disrupted. I understand your concerns.


Hello,First thank you for having the Save Amtrak site.
We in wheelchairs NEED Amtrak!
I realize that only one person in the Congress uses a wheelchair, and I assume he has the resources to have a driver and a personal care aid when he travels. But perhaps he has had the experience MOST of us who use wheelchairs have had
with airline travel:  we cannot have our chair on the plane with us--it must be put in a baggage compartment--and there it gets damaged or destroyed!  It is treated like an indestructable metal object when in fact it takes very little to throw a wheel out of alignment or damage a part so that the chair becomes unusable.

If one reads the news group misc.handicap one will see the horror stories of airplane travel for those of us who need wheelchairs.

Not only do we suffer as we have to pay for the repairs to our "legs" sometimes we cannot even get someone there to fix the damage--e.g. many wheelchair vendors/retailers are not open nights, weekends!  That leaves us literally captive in the airplane (unless they will send someone to carry us off the plane--that's truly humiliating!)

I also want to point out that there is a disease called fibromyalgia.  People with that terrible disease cannot sit in a confined space without getting cramps in the muscles, pain in the joints, etc.  In fact it is widely recommended that a person with fibromyalgia get up, move around and stretch every 15-20 minutes. That is IMPOSSIBLE on an airplane.

I sure hope the Lake Shore Limited is still operating when I will want to go the the funeral of a friend who has terminal breast cancer.  It is the prefered way for me to get from Troy, NY to Lagrange IN.

L. A B, Ph.D., J.D.
Troy, NY  2/16/02
A note from the webmaster.. I have met many wonderful people who are mobility impaired and or had other challenges .on the train.  Many many  people would not be able to travel at all  if it was not for Amtrak and our national passenger rail system. Let alone be more comfortable and have their wheelchairs handled properly.

I hope  people and groups you and others belong to take an active interest in saving our national rail network.  It's important!  No one in this life knows when or if  they too will some day end up in a wheelchair or face other life's challenges. Use it or not it's nice knowning the train is there for you. I hope your friend does well !  Thank you, doctor for your comments and support.
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I think it is ridiculous that the airlines have been bailed out (yeah right, let's see how long before some of them still go under).  Even my Pastor, the God fearing man that he is, will not fly.  He is a seasoned Amtrak traveller and loves it.  Whenever he has experienced difficulty (i.e. lost luggage) Amtrak responded and treated him a lot better than ANY
airline would have done.  The system may need some tweeking but they are NOT BROKEN, so support them and
allow them to ROLLLLLLLLL!
Lois M 2/16/02

I belong to WASHARP; but I don't know why our organization has not sent to its members a "fighting call" to sound the alarm and write our senators,congressmen etc. like you have done. I am currently writing all these people and will continue to do so. Unfortunately we have to do this all over again. I am sick of poor Amtrak having to go to the "mat" every four
years or so and plead for money. We should stand right up proudly and tell Congress, "Listen you created us and no passenger rail system in the world makes money and we deserve the largest subsidy you can give us and don't quibble. You fund airports and highways and they certainly are not money makers. It would be different if each highway in the US was a turnpike and a toll road like the Pennsylvania turnpike and the New York turnpike. Then people would really squak if they had to pay like $100.00 to travel about 100 miles just to go from Olympia to Seattle. Boy would Congress hear about this...
Rich 2/13/01
From the web master- Sir,you make a very valid point.  Why, are Passenger rail lobby  organizations so quite?  Are they sleeping at the switch? Unless they are in the back room planning something soon the war will be over before they  get there information out.....One thing we must remind ourselves this in not 1979,1981,1996. We know from past practices the only thing is going to save our long dstance trains is support of the American people.... Thats why I came up with the ideal for this web site. To use the new media (the internet) to spread the word to save Amtrak and the long distance trains. 
My only dissapointment so far is  I am unable to get this site in the major electronic media. What's holding it back is the fact it's home grown not backed by any major corporation or group.  On the plus side it's right on the issue,listed in all major search engines and supported on the trainweb.com free server.  Thanks Rich for your comments.2-17-02

Sir/Madam:
     By spending billions on highways and airlines since 1945, the federal government has all but destroyed the most efficient transportation system in history: the U. S. railroads.  Now, some people bemoan the pittance spent on Amtrak while never questioning the vast annual subsidies to the air and highway modes.
     To compound this insanity, anti-rail forces assume that oil will be inexpensive and plentiful forever and that no supply disruptions from the Persian Gulf can ever occur again.  Of course, climate change can't cause any problems either.
     Perhaps in some ideal world, no transportation form would be subsidized.  But in America in 2002, to neglect the potential of our railroads while funding energy inefficiency is slow-motion suicide.
 Sincerely, W J. Z 2/12/02


AMTRAK SHOULD GO ON STRIKE AND COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN NOW.   THEY SHOULD THEN DEMAND THAT THE AMTRAK REFORM COUNCIL BE IGNORED.  THEY SHOULD STAY 100% SHUT DOWN UNTIL THEY GET FULLY FUNDED.  ORGANIZED LABOR SHOULD STAGE SYMPATHY STRIKES.
KMV 2/9/02
Regarding someone's idea that Amtrak go to strike, it's not as simple as one might think.  Here is what Mr.Capon (NARP executive director) explained me: 

    It's one thing to put back an individual train (as Congress did with >the "Cardinal" many years ago). If the whole network shuts down for >more than a few weeks, getting it back would involve huge logistical >problems. If Congress "blows up" Amtrak, the public's right to access >to freight railroad also disappear. 

I would add that, with regard to legislators, those of them who support Amtrak would still do so without a strike, while those of them who hate it would either be happy or just not care.  Again, let's do our best to convince legislators to support Amtrak and thus protect it. 

Also, I have been surprised that some people I know refuse to believe that highways are funded by govrenment.  One of them says that highways pay for themselves from 'very expensive tolls'. 

Regarding Mica's hatred to Amtrak.  I saw his website.  There is a special page about the commuter rail project in Florida, which he supports.  In a FAQ section, to the question "Why not just buy more buses?", he reasonably answers that trains are more spacious and energy-efficient.  This makes me even more wonder about Mica's psychology, I mean what his hatred to Amtrak/long-distance trains is based on.  Though I am not from his area, I wrote him about it.  Though I didn't get a response, I hope he will pay attention to my words. 2/17/02
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Like America-Amtrak is at a crossroads -- but like America it was built by the hard work and sacrifices of many-For the future - WE WOULD BE WELL-ADVISED TO BUILD ON ALL THAT IS GOOD-TO HONOR THE HISTORY AND THE HOPE OF THIS ALL-AMERICAN COMPANY. THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPORTATION IS THE VERY SPIRIT OF PROGRESS AND PROSPERITY. IN HONOR OF THOSE EMPLOYEES AND MANAGEMENT-WE THANK YOU FOR CONNECTING AMERICANS AND FOR KEEPING HOPE FOR THE FUTURE BRIGHT. PEOPLE LOVE AMTRAK-NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO PULL IT APART OR DERAIL THE DREAM. AMTRAK IS AMERICA-AND IN THE SPIRIT OF TRANSPORTATION AND OF HOPE-WE SHOULD BUILD ON ALL THAT IS GOOD AND CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN THE PEOPLE THAT CAN MAKE IT WORK. PROGRESS DEMANDS 
TIME AND PATIENCE-GIVE TO AMTRAK WHAT IT NEEDS AND LETS KEEP AMERICA WORKING. SO WHAT IF AMTRAK HASN'T BEEN GREEDY-THEY PUT PEOPLE AND SAFETY FIRST-KEEP THE DREAM ON TRACK AMTRAK!” AMERICANS ARE UNITED AND WE STAND BEHIND YOU ! 2/9/02

as an employee i have many times heard the reports that amtrak does not try to improve its service and equipment.this is not the case at 30th st station where i work.most employees try to give the best effort possible.my first question is why the congess has such a problem funding amtrak when air,highways,military and any foreign country can get money just for the asking.question number two is why amtrak has to be self sustaining when the above mentioned are not and never will be.go amtrak.
2-8-02

It is to bad that congress and the ARC are lost in the airline mentality.
Planes serve only the end points. They don't realize that Trains serve the end points and all stops between.
There are no LONG DISTANCE TRAINS.  A long distance train is an infinite series of short distance trains, serving any combination of the communities along the line. 
Long distance trains are money losers, well add more frequencies so that riders have some flexibility and see what happens. The San Joaquins and the Capitols in California prove that the more frequencies the more riders.
Amtrak's management is less than perfect but the culprit here is the Congress and DOT for wanting a two legged transportation system.
Write and Phone and ask your friends to do the same. I helped beat back the Reagan Gang in 1981, we won then we will win now. 
2-7-02


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Dear Saveamtrak readers,

Rep. Mica's comments on passenger train travel are characteristic of people who have never stepped on a inter-city Amtrak train. He has obviously never experienced the pleasure of watching the scenery pass them by in the observation car,  eaten spectacular food in the dining car or made new friends in the coach compartment. And, for some ghoulish reason, he wants to deny those pleasures to future generations of Americans.

First off, Amtrak is affordable. With just a little advance planning, a person can get wherever he wants to get for the price of an airplane ticket, sometimes even cheaper. Just last month I bought a North American Rail Pass for only $423 and visited about 10 cities in the US and 3 cities in Canada for the price I would have had to pay to visit just one city by air. I found the reservation process to be extremely-user friendly and encountered absolutely none of the security hassles that have filled the pages of the newspapers since Sept. 11.

Second, some people are unable to fly. Either because of legitimate fears of dying a horrible, fiery death, or just because of physiological problems (such as Eustachian tube problems), passenger trains offer a compelling alternative to traveling by airplane. 

And so what if train travel takes a little longer? What's the big deal? What is the rush, for Pete sakes? I can get on the train from Albuquerque in the afternoon and arrive fresh as a daisy in Los Angeles the next morning! Rep. Mica may be running around like a chicken with his head cut off, but most civilized people can adjust their schedules to accommodate train travel. Sometimes just getting to a place, sometimes the journey itself, has immeasurable intrinsic value. For some reason, we have lost touch with the amazing beauty of traveling great distances by train.

The fact of the matter is, lots of us Americans are tired of being treated like cattle by the airlines. We're tired of being forced to sit in tight, cramped seats like sardines. We're tired of being subjected to cabins that are improperly pressurized, getting us to our destinations with perforated eardrums, exploded blood vessels and rare forms of food poisoning. In short, we're tired of traveling on airplanes and we refuse to give up the only civilized form of mass transportation left to Americans.

Third, trains get to their destinations. Sure, sometimes the freight trains cause delays, but hey! Freight trains own the tracks and they're making the rules. We just buy right of way. If Rep. Mica wants to get somewhere on time, maybe he can guarantee passenger trains the right of way! A freight train can handle an eight hour delay, but human beings cannot and should not be subjected to this treatment.

And fourth,  on Sept. 11 where were all the planes? On the ground, that's where. And where were the trains? Chugging away! Right on schedule. When the ice is clinging to the wings of planes on frigid nights, do they get off the ground? Maybe, and with a little luck they land, too. But trains are always chugging away. Slowly but surely. 

Let's remind Rep. Mica who elected him into office. If he wants to stay in office, he should start listening to the American people. And the American people want a strong, intercity-rail service run by Amtrak. Not some pipe dream conjured up by a bunch of grumpy, jet-lagged bean counters!

Sincerely,
Chuck R  2/7/02
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Eliminating most Amtrak lines is just one more step toward making car ownership mandatory and toward the brutal paving over of our countryside. Mature societies offer their citizens a variety of transportation options, and a mature, informed citizenry is glad to pay taxes to support it.  I have European friends who express dismay at America's lack of trains.  Their own countries are far more sophisticated than we are in this respect. My happiest travels have been by train, and I will grieve for their loss, if they are indeed lost.
Kathy 2/6/02


My friend and I are strong advocates for long distance rail travel throughout the U.S.  We've taken the entire routes of the Coast Starlight and Zephyr.  We've taken most of the Sunset Limited and part of the Southwest Chief.  Our next goal is the Empire Builder.  I can't tell you how much a crime it would be to eliminate long distance train travel throughout this beautiful Country.  I, myself, think affordable long distance train travel throughout the U.S is key to our history and our heritage.  Call me a mushy, bleeding heart, but the train is the only way to travel and be part of the beauty of America.  Often highway travel doesn't even afford that.  Now all they have to do is figure out a way that I can enjoy the scenery at night.  I have written to my Senators and Congresswoman to support government support (and I mean adequate financial support) of long distance train travel.  Whatever else I can do, I am willing.  If I have my way, I would never step foot on an airplane for U.S. travel again.
Pamela K.
San Francisco, CA. 2/7/02

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Hurray for George Warrington. He is sounding a true alarm that the same people want to demolish Amtrak. They speak under the "guise" of just wanting to privatise Amtrak but that is a bunch of hogwash! What they want to do, starting with Sen. John McCain is to destroy Amtrak. What they just don't seem to understand is two points: First that Amtrak is a whipping child and every 2-3 years comes up for funding. They do not mention airports, runways and that if, we the taxpayer, stopped funding these, think what the price of airline tickets would be! Second, Amtrak needs all the money Mr. Warrington wants and then some to fully develop a true national rail network. Think of the many, many cities where Amtrak doesn't even go!! Every civilized country in the world pays for subsidizing its transportation necessities. Why is this different in the United States?
I'll tell you. It is mainly due to the gasoline industry which thinks everything operates on gasoline.

Richard DeGarmo
Chairman-Volunteers
Centennial Station
Olympia-Lacey, Washington 2/6/02




Commentary - Bob Webster, OpinioNet.com(tm) Editor 2/6/02
Thought you'd be interested in this piece just posted online:
A must read! The link below gives a wealth of information!
Saving Amtrak

I am one Canadian expressing deep disapproval of the plan to eliminate all Amtrak long distance and overnight services. I have also expressed my views to the Canadian public transport advocacy group Transport 2000 in Ottawa and on the prairies. We in Canada lost most of our long haul services in 1981 and 1990. The Amtrak news is especially distressing just after VIA Rail Canada has placed an order for new Renaissance sleepers. 
David D
Cobourg ON 2/4/02

As everyone knows we went through this in the 80's and it seems that no matter what happens (Sept 11) that shows that Amtrak is and can be an intergal part of this country's transpotation system we have people come out of the woodwork who think they are experts on what is best for the people when it comes to transpotation and think that the airline industry is the only acceptable and politically correct means of getting from A to B and that  a passenger train is out of date which reflects the thinking of the general public regarding railroads. I do not fly , will not fly and i am against the subsidies given to the airline Industry and the trucking Industry.Therefore I support Amtrak ,I ride Amtrak and maybe if some of these so called congressional experts would ride Amtrak and see how beautiful this country is from the ground and not from an interstate maybe the term "God bless America may take on  a differnt meaning. 2/3/02
Subject:  Amtrak, a viable national passenger rail system for the United States.
The problem:
I am extremely concerned that the mission of the Amtrak Reform Council (ARC) as dictated by the Congress is wholly unreasonable and represents a remarkable negligence of a constitutional repsonsibilty by a Congress that seems intent on excessive exercise of extra-constitutional powers.

"Amtrak was also granted a monopoly to provide intercity rail transportation over its route system and was to receive federal subsidies for the first few years, but then it was expected to make a profit." - from the ARC web site.

Article I, Section 8 of our Constitution enumerates the only powers granted to the federal government.  Section 8 contains three paragraphs which clearly give Congress the power to fund operations of a national passenger rail system.  These are:

1. "To lay and collet taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; ..."

2. "To establish post offices and post roads;"

and,

3. "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;"

Public transportation (the ability to move about our country) is clearly a general welfare responsibility.  Establishing "post roads" would certainly include railroads for moving long distant mail more efficiently.  The ability to deploy "militia" (armed forces) throughout the country would certainly be aided by an effective long-distance passenger rail system.

Other general welfare applications include civil defense movements and evacuations of large metropolitan areas in times of threat from severe weather, terrorist attack or invasion.  When air travel is curtailed there would be no alternative to automobile travel if no national passenger rail system exists.

The federal government has seen fit to pour billions of dollars of funding into a national highway transportation system (far in excess of anything spent on passenger rail services).  Nobody seems to question this expense, nor the ongoing cost of  maintenance and new construction.  This highway system provides enormous benefits to the trucking industry.  What similar system of cross-country railroads has the federal government built?  None! Why not?

The federal government has supported the aviation industry for over 50 years.  The FAA and its system of air traffic control are a routine expense of government.  Airlines could not function without the FAA and air traffic control system.  Nobody seems to question this expense, nor the cost to improve and maintain equipment to keep pace with increasing demands for air travel safety.  What similar network of cross-country rail traffic control has the federal government built?  None!  Why not?

Yet when it comes to supporting a national passenger railway system, outlays have averaged less than $1 billion per year for the first 26 years of operation!  "after 26 years and approximately $22 billion in federal operating subsidies and capital investments" - from the ARC web site.

Instead of subsidizing passenger rail travel, the Congress has decreed that Amtrak should find some magic way to become self-sufficient.  This is a prescription for the dissolution of Amtrak.  There isn't a single large scale national passenger rail system in the world that is financially self-sufficient.  Why is Congress demanding the impossible of Amtrak?

Proposed solution:

In addition to reforms proposed by the ARC which are not inconsistent with the following, these remedies should be considered:

1. The Congress should accept responsibility for establishing a subsidized national passenger rail system.  Self-sufficiency is a delusion and inconsistent with the federal role in other major transporation systems.

2. The federal government should fully fund all rail equipment and rail equipment repair and maintenance, including costs of passenger station construction or leases.

3. The federal government should fully fund building and maintenance of additional trackage for passenger rail service, parallel to and interchanging with existing freight rail systems, to improve the speed and quality of cross-country rail services.

4. The federal government should fully fund all other infrastructure costs for building and maintaining a first-class passenger rail system.

5. Rights to use federal passenger rail trackage should be leased to regional passenger railroads to interconnect and enhance long-distance services of Amtrak provided such usage does not interfere with Amtrak operations.

6. Rights to use federal passenger rail trackage should be leased to private freight carriers provided usage priority is secondary to all passenger rail traffic and does not interfere with Amtrak operations.

7. Passenger fares should be strictly limited to amounts sufficient to pay Amtrak employee compensation, including benefits and any Amtrak pension system.  All other costs should be funded by the federal government, consistent with constitutional requirements outlined above.

Summary:

It is a travesty to think that the federal government should shirk from its obligations to its citizens to provide for their general welfare through a national passenger rail system when we routinely spend billions each year for highways, aviation, and foreign aid to support infrastructures of other nations.

It is the obligation of the Amtrak Reform Council to inform the Congress that the requirement for self-sufficiency by recinded and Congress accept its constitutional responsibility to properly fund a national passenger railway system.

The question should not be one of how to retrench Amtrak so that a limited subset of operaions might possibly provide sufficient funding for self-sufficiency (it never will).  Rather, the question should be posed as "How do we create and maintain a viable first-class national passenger railway system subsidized by the federal government consistent with its constitutional responsibilities?"

I would be happy to volunteer to do whatever I might to help bring about the kind of reform I've suggested.

Thank you for your consideration,

//SIGNED//

Robert D. W
Andover, NJ  07821 2/03/02



I have visited your website a few times.  I realize how important it is to protect and expand our national passenger rail system.  I personally prefer Amtrak as the way to travel around the country.  However, sorry to say that, but some statements and overall atmosphere of your website would rather give it a name "eulogizeamtrak", rather than "save it".  True, there has been an anti-rail bias in U.S. policy.  True, Amtrak has been chronically underfunded and strongly criticized by some public officials.  True, long-distance trains are in particular danger these days as a result of political uncertainty.  But rather than rip the clothes, let's analyze the situation.  Amtrak short-term future is now directly connected to Congress, particularly to the proposed $1.2 billion appropriation.  Amtrak plans to issue the six-month discontinuance notices for long-distance trains on March 28 as a measure of preparation to the worse scenario (i.e. money is unavailable).  If no such notices are issued AND no money is given, trains will keep running until Amtrak as a whole goes bankrupt and ceases operations. 
The notices would allow Amtrak, if money is not provided, to stop long-distance trains but at least keep running trains on shorter distances, particularly in the Northeast Corridor.  Of course, this is still not what we want.  But if Congress DOES approve the $1.2 billion for Amtrak, it's okay for it to cancel the notices and keep trains running into FY 2003.  Therefore, rather than mourn Amtrak now, as long-distance trains are still running, we should do our best to make sure they continue to run.  And this best is to urge legislators and the Administrations to support Amtrak funding, particularly the $1.2 billion appropriation.  We should let them know that we need long-distance trains.  Remember, this appropriation has already been proposed in Congress, but just not yet approved.  As for making long-distance Amtrak trip the coming summer, I think we should consider it a "solidarity trip", rather than a "last trip".  Again, to make this trip not the last, we should urge Congress and Administration to fund Amtrak appropriately. 2/3/02
Just wanted to say that Amtrak is a vital part of transportation in the United States. There has to be a transportation system other then the Air or Cars and Buses Traveling on the Highway.  I also think Amtrak is a money saving way to travel. Air fares seem to be way out of control nowadays. Thank you so much for letting me send this E mail to try and save Amtrak
Shawn 02/02/02


If Amtrak discontinue long distance train service, USA will follow the way of Argentina which stopped a lot of long distance trains on March 11th,1993.
Regards,
Marcelo 2/1/01


I love this.  The government can spend $15 billion to stop the airlines from whining at the same time deciding it wants to divest itself of Amtrak because it costs to much.  Sometimes I feel like I'm from Mars.  I just don't get it.  1/29/02


Dear Sirs: Please vote to save AMTRAK. It is a valuable part of our national
heritage and a great way to travel. Sincerely, Richard and Judy 1/27/02

Trains thrive in countries all over the world, in fact americans travel to other countries just to experience train travel. it would be a real shame to shut down amtrak, put even more people out of work, let the stations rot away, and take away a viable option of travel in this country.with a little creativity, research into other countries train systems, and a lot of promotion amtrak could revolution the way america travels, in addition to providing americans with jobs, and helping to save the environment through less use of automobiles. I am a bit of a visionary, but right now i think that is exactly what amtrak needs.  1/27/02


MY HUSBAND AND I HAD A WONDERFULL ADVENTURE ON THE "SOUTHWEST CHIEF"  ALSO, I HAVE TAKEN THE METROLINER TO WASHINGTO D.C. AND  ENJOYED THE  CONVEINCE.  IT TOOK LESS TIME THAN GOING TO THE AIRPORT, NOW TWO HOURS BEFORE DEPT.  PLANES TERRIFY ME NOW AND I DO NOT TRUST THE SECURITY AS YET.  ALSO, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMFORT UNLESS ONE HAS THE MONEY TO FLY FIRST CLASS.  THE TRAIN IS THE BEST FOR WE MIDDLE-CLASS, RETIRED PEOPLE.  AND PASSANGERS ON TRAINS DO NOT DISPLAY AIR ANGER OR RAGE.  MARY AND HAL 1/26/02

INFORMATION REQUEST 
If you have the information requested below send an e-mail to saveamtrak@hotmail.com  and I will forward it to Jim.
Hi!  I sent the below message to the American Public Transportation Association.  Maybe I should have queried you first?  Regards, Jim J -------------

Hi!  Is there a book, study, paper, or any publication where I can find a
comparison of U.S. passenger rail ridership/financing with the systems of
other countries?  I am trying to assemble an argument against Congress'
passing the bill to force Amtrak to either be self-sustaining or go out of
business.   I don't think many public transit systems in the world break
even but cannot find a reliable source.  I am hoping that you can lead me to
a good summary type of document.
Regards, Jim,J Tampa, Fl.1/26/02



We are regular users of the entire AMTRAK system.  Yet when I do my own informal survey amoung very educated fellow business people as well as amoung people we know, we are amazed to discover how few people realize that you can still take a sleeper all over the United States and not just ride a train in the NE Corridor.  Like everything else if you don't advertise, you don't penetrate markets.  But when you advertise, you have to have the service and the equipment to back up the promise.  Amtrak is so tight on sleeping car space and diners, that it cannot reasonably amortize their efforts, labor or any other expense by running one train a day to most cities!  We have to do better and give them a reasonable chance to perform.  Not only do they need more equipment, they need more new equipment for sleepers, diners and lounges in particular.  Most of the diners were around when I was in elementary school. 
With the effort in handling express and mail in particular, the cost of running the system should go down.  AMTRAK comes as close as any passenger system in the world of paying its own way.  Perhaps if AMTRAK started with the letter Z, it wouldn't be always on the budget cutting table.  Lets do one less missle test and save and develope a critcal part of our transportation system.
Tom  1/26/02
Amtrak should be expanded and continued every year until it reaches its greatest potential.  Failure to do so would be this country's greatest transportation blunder.
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Thanks for your effort on strengthening amtrak 
added 1/26/02
I am a poor college student who thinks Amtrak is great idea. I wrote about my concern to Rep. John Mica, one of the front running anti-Amtrak people. This is the response that I have received: 
Thank you,  I appreciate your comments and want you to know that I support passenger rail, and in fact, like you I believe it is possible to expand our national network of passenger rail utilizing new high speed rail trains.  However, I disagree with you regarding Amtrak. They have had more than a fair chance to operate at a reasonable cost to the taxpayer.  I noted you mention how economical it is travel by rail, however, did you know it costs more to take the train from Washington to New York than it does to fly? 
The Acela train is just one example of a failure.  It does not travel at anything close to the speeds it was designed for, in part because Amtrak failed to upgrade some track bed and the overhead catenary necessary to sustain higher speed travel.  As a result the train is only about 10-15 minutes faster than the Metroliner, and at a higher cost. 

While I share your enthusiasm for train travel, Amtrak is not necessarily the only entity that knows how to run a railroad. 

Thanks again for your input. 

Sincerely, 
John L. Mica 
Member of Congress 

Not exactly what I was expected. How can Amtrak survive when it isn't even being given a chance?
1/26/02



The U.S. Government needs to  invest in Amtrak because we connect the major cities in the Northeast like no other mode of transportation does and who better then Amtrak to be called upon to evacuate a city under fire.  The Government has to step up to the plate and fund this fine company............We do not need private interest bleeding the rest of the blood from Americas Passenger Lines.  Look what happened in England??????? 1/19/02


Service on Amtrak, effective reservations, considerate communications with passengers, and a remarkable automated response that really works, are all part of improvements that are nothing less than miraculous.  Amtrak deserves much credit and should be preserved for those reasons alone.  But there is another major reason.  The airlines will remain vulnerable to periodic attack no matter how much we try to strengthen security, so the country needs to be able to fall back upon railroads.  Of course trains can also be attacked, but they cannot be converted into aerial missiles!
Dr.P E D
Professor Emeritus Columbia P&S  1/19/02

Thesenator who is so staunchly opposed to amtrak has his own rail
project, http://www.house.gov/mica/comrail.htm  While comendable, does
this experiment on CSX occupy the same rails as amtrak trains? I am
unfamiliar with that part of the country...
Thanks, Daniel 1/19/02
12 January-2002 
1.Who is Wendel Cox and how did he get appointed to the Amtrak
Reform Council? 
2. If memory serves, Australia's railways were state-run. However,
a "national" line was formed to operate trans-Australia rail services, 
both passenger and freight. 
3. England instituted privatized passenger rail service with some 
interesting results. As I recall, there is still debate as to who 
shall pay liability damages resulting from various rail crashes. 
While some private investment money did flow to new train equipment, 
very little went to rail and signal infrastructure improvement, hence frequent crashes. 
4. Amtrak and most public rail transit organizations in North America 
are said to be money losers. It is noteworthy that no such stigma is attached to the inter-
or (in some cases)intra- state highway systems. One hears little about the annual cost of a particular state's major road budget in a profit- and-loss statement. What is wrong with that picture? 
5. Finally, at risk to tread on sensitive ground, it can be said 
that to maintain the North American motor vehicle-based transport system continues to be very 
expensive, both in national dollars and human treasure: the latest 
front-page news photo shows a widow with medals presented. 
6. If the reader thinks the removal of the Taliban does NOT involve 
the politics of petroleum, then the reader needs to look more closely 
at international pipeline proposals and what nations produce oil 
in that region. 
1/19/01

alarmed by position taken by many of you.  America deserves at least as good trains as in Europe.  It is a national asset, has military strategic importance, and provides safe transportation to many.  Frequently, we cannot even buy tickets on west coast routes which are SOLD OUT.  During 9/11 crisis we thought some of you would wake up and realize that we need a good, fast passernger system.  We think the airlines are lobbying against good rail service.  Not upgrading tracks creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.  Upgraded tracks will see people flooding to take the train.  No confidence in politicians on these issues.  I am a lawyer who flies often, and takes the train as often as I can.

please forward this note to Mineta and other members of council and include with your report to congress

David H
1/19/02



My sons and I recently rode the california zephyr to Ohio and back for the
christmas holidays, and as far as we are concerned, the train surpasses
plane travel anyday. I hope that Congress decides to save MTk and spend some
of that transportation money on traks and new lines. It seems by giving
AMtrak a tiny percentage of the transpotation budget as opposed to the huge
amounts the Airlines get, the government set AMtrak to fail in becoming self
sufficient. If the US government would build Amtrak, tracks of their own,
the railway system would grow. Also I wish there were more lines that made
Amtrak accessable to more people, especially out here in the west. We are
from South Dakota and have to travel 10 hours south to Omaha to catch the
train, or north to Minot many hours.  Just think of the benefit to the
tourism industry and financial benefit for Amtrack if a line ran from denver
through Rapid City, Sd where Mt. Rushmore etc is and then run the line on up
to meet the line at minot where the other Amtrak line goes through(Empire
Builder). THe CA zephyr was full, and I don't how it could be unprofitable.
I would also like to see a more affordabll priced menu in the dining car,
this would make the dining car more profitable if people could afford to buy
meals for the family etc.  Anyway, I hope Amtrak is saved.
1/19/02
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Dear Sir:
The President, both of my Senators and my Representative have received
strong e-mails from me on this subject. I am adament that the absurd notion
of dissolving Amtrak be abandoned immediately and that funding be increased
to allow for the proper expansion of your service.

At this critical time in our history, we need a working, well funded rail
system to alleviate the congested and increasingly un-friendly skies. In the
age of the terrorist, there is no safer way to travel than aboard your
trains.

I am a Republican, a financial contributer, and a regular voter. They listen
to people like me. I have made it clear that those who fail to support your
cause will no longer enjoy my support.

On a more pleasant note, I have been a passenger on the Southwest Chief many
times from Chicago to Los Angeles. It is the crown jewel of Amtrak, and is
one of the most pleasant parts of the vacation itself. This letter finally
gives me an opportunity to thank all of you for the outstanding service I
have enjoyed. My wife and I will be with you again on January 25, and we are
looking forward to it.

I wanted to drop you this note to let you know that you are not alone, and
that many of us out here are working hard to see that you have a future.

Regards,

Jeff  Z
Cincinnati, Ohio
1/19/02



Bob
Here's quite possibly the best case yet for showing the value of the
long-distance train!

The United Rail Passenger Alliance has some new charts and graphs of
Amtrak data to share. Titled "Analysis of Amtrak System Indicates Long
Distance Trains, Not Corridors, Are the Moneymakers," this information,
all based on internal Amtrak data, can be found at

    www.trainweb.com/urpa

URPA is also seeking to have Andrew Selden, a Minneapolis lawyer once
described as "The dean of pro-passenger Amtrak critics," to replace
Amtrak's current president.  The "Selden Plan" would begin to
establish a denser network of long-distance trains, leveraging the "matrix
effect" and moving Amtrak toward profitability, while changing the
legislative environment which has perpetuated Amtrak's need for continuing
subsidies.  The URPA site shows details of the Plan, and what could be
expected in the first six months of a Selden Administration at Amtrak.

\\/
William L
Scottsdale, AZ
1/19/02



I gave John Mica a piece of my mind 
I also have some interesting info. One of the ARC mebers is Wendell Cox who is the most anti-rail person on this planet 
Paul F 
PS I am also a NARP member. 1/01/02                         People Speak  March 18,2002>>>>>>

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